Can a student study Computational Neuroscience

Professions for Neuroscientists [Page 14]

Industrial biologist on vacation  📅 14.11.2013 15:43:35
Re: professions for neuroscientists
> Perhaps you should also take appropriate
> Mails / complaints to the Max Planck Institute, the
> Berstein Center for Computational Neuroscience
> Munich and the Helmholtz Center Munich
> judge, can not really go that the
> wear the course if the students do
> Driven straight into unemployment
> be, I mean, there are also public funds
>


Boy, boy, the enlightenment somehow passed you by, right? Use your intellect and the facts, then you come to the following:

No professor, whether at Max Planck, Helmholtz or the University of Darmstadt, is interested in the graduates' career opportunities. What the professor needs are hosts of blue-eyed students, if possible in the final semesters (high laboratory share), who work for him free of charge in his laboratory and believe until the end that the drudgery will in some way pay off for them. (This works, especially since people like to believe that things they have had to work hard for have value.)

With these lab guys (my sincere apologies to all dark-skinned readers who might feel offended, it is not meant to be derogatory) he carries out his mostly idiotic projects, which he hopes will bring him respect and, if possible, wealth.

In order to maintain this stream of quasi serfs, he and a few like-minded people found a new course like the one in Cologne, one could also call molecular medicine in Erlangen / Göttingen, Master of Neuroscience in Regensburg or similar stillbirths. In order for grants to be approved, he writes something about excellent career prospects. The lawyer in the university administration or in the BMBF, who decides on the funds, likes to believe that because he has no idea and does not want to familiarize himself with subtle scientific differences.

The course is already there and a group of green-nosed high school graduates run into the professor's booth. The wiser among them quickly notice that the faster they get away, the better they drive, and they drop out of their studies or go abroad.

There remains the overwhelming power of the, let's say geographically or mentally lazy, who either only notice shortly after graduation or spend until then that no one is interested in their expensive title at the latest two years later, apart from the unemployment agency, if these statistics on the origin of their "customer" elaborates.

Conclusion: the fact that 95% of the graduates are practically or actually unemployed has not yet deterred a professor from starting a course.
maple  📅 14.11.2013 16:03:16
Re: professions for neuroscientists
Industrial biologist on vacation wrote:

> To get this stream of quasi serfs
> received, he founds with a couple
> Like-minded people a new course like that
> in Cologne, one could also do molecular ones
> Medicine in Erlangen / Göttingen, Master of
> Neuroscience in Regensburg or similar
> Call stillbirths.

Oh bad, nobody has written it like this before. I'm a little worried about my former fellow students who are friends ...
Grindel  📅 14.11.2013 19:36:23
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At this point I have to make fun of the Molecular Life Scienceler again. Anyone who is stupid enough not to check that biology translated means the theory of life and life science is the free English translation, deserves to be unemployed! I'm still shocked at what one has to hear about the career prospects of a 5th semester student ...
Re: professions for neuroscientists
Industrial biologist on vacation wrote:
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>
> To get this stream of quasi serfs
> received, he founds with a couple
> Like-minded people a new course like that
> in Cologne, one could also do molecular ones
> Medicine in Erlangen / Göttingen, Master of
> Neuroscience in Regensburg or similar
> Call stillbirths. So that grants are approved
> be, he writes something about excellent
> Career prospects. The lawyer in the
> University administration or in the BMBF, which is responsible for
> the means decides, likes to believe it, because he
> has no idea and is fine
> Scientific differences are not
> want to work in.

I once spoke to a former university employee from Konstanz. Why was the "Life Science" course launched?

Well, there were cuts at the university and a chair (= a professorship and everything that is attached to doctoral students and laboratory assistants) should be dropped. He's gone a lot too, but nobody noticed, as the new "Life Science" course led to the approval of a brand new chair. What luck that the space was just becoming vacant and there was no need to add anything ...

And of course the student offer for life science was heavily regulated by the places. It's elitist. This means that the university staff only had to cope with a slightly higher number of students.
Industrial biologist on vacation  📅 15.11.2013 07:49:03
Re: professions for neuroscientists
> Well, there have been cuts to college and one
> Chair (= a professorship and everything
> attached to doctoral students and laboratory assistants)
> should be omitted. Which also goes away a lot, but it has
> Nobody noticed, because the new course "Life
> Science "to grant a brand new one
> Chair.

I also know Anglicization as a popular means of distracting lawyers, who are known to speak practically no English, not to mention scientific terms.

I am aware of a case in which a university administration had reservations about a professorship for NMR spectroscopy, arguing that the chair holder was already a specialist and that another expert was not needed for the use of the multi-million dollar equipment. The next application for the subject "Nuclear Magnetic Resonance Spectroscopy" was then sent. The appeal process could then be initiated quickly.
nekuuni  📅 23.11.2013 01:39:45
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Tell me Leonora, how did you go on now? Second degree?

I am currently studying biochemistry (Bachelor) and recently started to look more closely at career prospects (which is not easy. You really have to dig really deep, most places are cheered). At the moment I have a very strong tendency to start a second degree, preferably in the field of pharmacy.

I would very much like to stay as close as possible to the scientific direction and, despite all the attempts to get a job in the pharmaceutical industry (I haven't completely got the research out of my head, but I will probably try the direction of quality assurance / Analysis / production). If that doesn't work .... There are enough pharmacies at the moment, and the question is how the job market will develop over the next few years and decades.

I will probably try anyway. Pure medicine would be absolutely nothing for me and I think so far pharmacy offers with pharmacists as Plan B at least a moderately good cover for emergencies, if it does not work in the industry. I'm just a little worried that I'll rush the whole thing again and wake up just as badly as with biochemistry. Have you already decided on another path in life?



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Re: professions for neuroscientists
> If you work as a postdoc, then you could
> but also try as a reviewer in a
> Accreditation committee to come, right?
> Maybe industrial biologist also does as
> Expert from the industry with !?
>
> Then you would no longer have failed, you would have failed
> Your hobby, bio-bashing, would be your job
> done! And could make sure that
> at least the completely nonsensical courses,
> who only waste taxpayers money, unemployed
> Academics, or at best second students
> bring forth, finally be discontinued!

A good suggestion, but I am convinced that politicians and professors are up against the appointment of experts who understand something of the matter. Besides, it shouldn't be attractive in terms of salary, neither for me nor for a second student once he's a doctor. Offers for additional consultancy assignments are of course always welcome
Re: professions for neuroscientists
Leonora2012 wrote:
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> If you work as a postdoc, then you could
> but also try as a reviewer in a
> Accreditation committee to come, right?
> Maybe industrial biologist also does as
> Expert from the industry with !?

Of course I am NOT a postdoc at a university. Where am I going? I decided to do a part-time postdoc at an institute where I get free coffee and the canteen is one of the best in the region. If I have too much from work I could play Playstation 3 or Wii, table football or billiards with my colleagues (if they had the time). In addition to free coffee, I get paid for free pizza, beer and soft drinks every Friday.

I practice organic bashing in my second degree. Yesterday I did a biochemistry internship with a frustrated bio postdoc. The postdoc female was well over 40 and you could tell from her face that she will soon be on the street, if an academic advice does not die away in the institute and she gets his position.

I looked at you so pityingly that out of aggression she asked me things that I knew much better than she did, of course.

If I were ever allowed to come to power at a university, I would start demolishing a few laboratory complexes so that no dean would ever think of keeping more doctoral students in them. Then I would paralyze the institutes' homepages with a cyber attack and forbid Google to accept search queries that contain "molecular + bio + studies + application + requirements + research + excellence".

My mission would be fulfilled and I could finally deal with Nora Tschirner's stalking again.

PS: if someone looks like Nora Tschirner, PM me!
Leonora2012  📅 28.11.2013 00:47:07
Re: professions for neuroscientists
nekuuni wrote:
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> Tell me Leonora, how was / are you doing now
> actually continue? Second degree?

So far I have not been admitted to a second degree: I will continue to apply for medicine and am currently working part-time in the low-wage sector. I am considering filing a lawsuit, but the financial risk has been too high for me so far!

> I am currently studying the
> Biochemistry (Bachelor) and recently started
> me more intensively with the job prospects